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In a recent thread, we got off on a sidetrack (gee, that NEVER happens here) where we discussed broadside weight vs. hull length (don't ask). While looking up various classes, it jumped out at me just...

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Maciej wrote:Kitsune wrote:ChrisPat wrote:Aha, my mistake, I was thinking off the Montanas and the Yamatos. Same question, I guess, would 12 x 16" be better than 9 x 18"? Certainly the general view...

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Probably I have problem with my math, but I can see larger difference in most cases. Only over 30 000 yards that little difference exist, and in case of British armour in some area of teen thousands...

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ChrisPat wrote:Why is a US 12 gun ship more impressive than an Italian 13 gun ship or an (eventually) RN 12 gun?Because, among ships that were actually built, the guns were 14-inch.

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Maciej wrote:If You are fightng really good armoured battleship - better to have fever heavier guns. Against enemy with medium or light armour better more lighter guns.That was indeed the theory. The...

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If we are thinking about smashing unprotected area, something even smaller is good enough. Something about 8", possibly most quick firer as possible ( Salem's guns are good example ) firing HE shells...

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I don't think the USN had much luck with 8" guns in WWII. They didn't get good enough results at long range and their rate of fire was too low for the close range night time slug fests. The one...

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Thats why I'm writing about salem's guns. With ratę of fire like 6" guns they should perform better

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Maciej wrote:Thats why I'm writing about salem's guns. With ratę of fire like 6" guns they should perform betterYes, of course.  But Salem was a couple of years too late for the war.  Did I miss...

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bgile wrote:Maciej wrote:Thats why I'm writing about salem's guns. With ratę of fire like 6" guns they should perform betterYes, of course.  But Salem was a couple of years too late for the war.  Did...

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Maciej wrote:If we are thinking about smashing unprotected area, something even smaller is good enough. Something about 8", possibly most quick firer as possible ( Salem's guns are good example )...

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I believe that in the case of the USN, for various reasons the 16" gun was more accurate than the 14" gun in the actual installation on the various ships. That added more weight to the choice of the...

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bgile wrote:I believe that in the case of the USN, for various reasons the 16" gun was more accurate than the 14" gun in the actual installation on the various ships. That added more weight to the...

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bgile wrote:I believe that in the case of the USN, for various reasons the 16" gun was more accurate than the 14" gun in the actual installation on the various ships. That added more weight to the...

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sergeante wrote:bgile wrote:I believe that in the case of the USN, for various reasons the 16" gun was more accurate than the 14" gun in the actual installation on the various ships. That added more...

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However, the decision to change to 8x16" was made before the first 14"/50 ship began builders' trials - when the only 14" gun in the USN was the more-accurate 14"/45. Note that the debate over the...

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Caden2248 wrote:Even after the 14"/50s were fixed, they were still not as accurate as any of the 16" guns, especially the twin 45s.  From the data on the Mark 7 and 11 14"/50, provided by this very...

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bager1968 wrote:However, the decision to change to 8x16" was made before the first 14"/50 ship began builders' trials - when the only 14" gun in the USN was the more-accurate 14"/45. Note that the...

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Yes - 3 years and 5 battleships after they could have been allowed, if not for his intransigence.

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One can only speculate what Washington Naval would have been like had the 3 New Mexico, 2 California and 1+3 building Colorado had all been 16" armed. The USN would have had 6 in hand with 3 more on...

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bager1968 wrote:Yes - 3 years and 5 battleships after they could have been allowed, if not for his intransigence.Who needed 14-inch guns, except for the threat posed by the Nagato class? and we had...

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